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Remember this one for debates!

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Been really sick the past few days, and I apologize for the lack of updates. Here is one to hold you over, and frankly, it says it all:

Pro tip: This goes for any text, not just the Bible or other “holy” texts.

As a reminder, Rick Santorum and Focus on the Family founder James Dobson will be speaking in Columbia today (Friday) at 4 PM. Here is the SASHA Facebook event if you have questions for them!

Also don’t forget that on Sunday at 10 AM, we’re having our monthly “Alternative Church” with coffee, bagels, and the Columbia Atheists group. Check out our Facebook group for more details.

New articles coming soon!

– Dave

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Dave Muscato is Vice President of MU SASHA. He is a vegetarian, LGBTQ ally, and human- & animal-welfare activist. A junior at Mizzou majoring in economics & anthropology and minoring in philosophy & Latin, Dave posts updates to the SASHA blog every Monday, Thursday, and Saturday. His website is

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7 comments on “Remember this one for debates!

  1. unklee
    February 7, 2012

    Nice and simple, but like many nice and simple things, only a half truth. And of course a half truth misrepresents the other half of the truth.

    For the Bible is both evidence and a claim.

    The Bible consists of many documents. Historians have examined those documents and come to conclusions, some of which are fairly much agreed upon. They find some parts to be probably historically inaccurate, and other parts to be probably historically accurate – and that means just as accurate as other ancient history.

    Thus the Bible contains good historical evidence – not all of it, but sufficient parts of it to be useful. And that means it is evidence.

    Then of course it also becomes a claim. But a claim based on the historical evidence, not on nothing.

    If you want to be respected as rationalist and evidence-based, you would recognise these facts and embrace them. Not recognising them makes you as much based on “faith” and as little on evidence as you accuse your opponents. For you are only basing your conclusions on half truths.

    Best wishes.

    • Dylan
      February 9, 2012

      Well put “unklee”, but I fear that you may have misrepresented what is being communicated by the picture featured in this post. Unless I am mistaken, the picture appears to be making a statement towards those who would view the Bible (or insert any other holy text here) as PROOF that God (or gods) exists. The statement, to paraphrase, is that the Bible (or any holy text) is by no means PROOF that God (or gods) exists, but only that it makes CLAIMS.

      I don’t think I have ever seen anyone say that the Bible is not evidence…some would just question the validity or value of that evidence. I for one have, up to this point, generally studied enough to hold a high level of validity and value to the evidence; however, I’m quite certain that I can not claim the Bible to be a “proof”.

      I would hope any Christ-follower would simply live and love like Christ was shown to live and love, and let that be the “proof” (or more valuable evidence) that convinces someone to consider God.


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  3. Uncle Tree
    February 8, 2012

    I was born and raised in Sedalia, Mo. – The Show-Me State.
    There was a time of great doubt in my life, so I went seeking.
    Not only was I found, I was also shown, by God! A bit of grace.
    I don’t need a book of any kind. The evidence was given to me.

    I have no need to prove it to anyone. Experience trumps words.
    If you are not experienced, then I can’t blame you for doubting.

    • Dylan
      February 16, 2012

      No one who frequents this site is likely to ask you to “prove” anything. Most people are merely in search of “evidence” that hopefully will lead them to a personal verdict. I don’t think that they are doubters or that they are inexperienced. Most have experienced a scattered and disjointed church made up of hypocrites and pretenders who say they believe in the Bible and yet don’t even know what it says. Some say they have the truth, but their lives don’t demonstrate it. They are uncaring, unloving, and oblivious to the poor and oppressed around them. To quote a popular phrase: “That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.”

  4. unklee
    February 9, 2012

    Yeah, I agree with you Dylan. I’ll be interested to see if Dave does also.

  5. unkleE
    February 16, 2012

    “Most have experienced a scattered and disjointed church made up of hypocrites …. Some say they have the truth, but their lives don’t demonstrate it”
    Only too true, too often – I admit with shame. Which is about par for the human race generally, I suppose, but if christianity is true as I believe it is, then the church should be at least a little better.

    And yet ……

    (1) It would be foolish to miss out on the truth just because some people fail to live up to it.

    (2) Studies (e.g. Religion & Society Research and Faith and wellbeing) show that christians (theists generally too I guess) have better mental and physical health, are happier, contribute more to society via volunteer work and donations, are less likely to have antisocial behaviour, etc, so the picture isn’t always as bleak as you paint it.

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